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@InvaderXan remind me again why Poison Ivy comics are named after (and focus so much on) the villain Batman?
@InvaderXan It does get harder and harder to see Ivy as a villain. All she'd have to do is explicitly stop murdering and she'd be at worst an antihero.
@InvaderXan The more I think about this, the more I wonder how much, if any, critical writing has been done about the differences between Poison Ivy and the Punisher.
@offby1 I wonder this too, actually. Both are quite comfortable to use violence against adversaries who they believe to deserve it. The only difference is their reasoning. Considering how often she acts for nature and the planet itself (at least in later comic books), you could easily argue that her grasp of the bigger picture gives her a stronger moral compass than Punisher.
Though as always, it depends heavily on the writer!
@InvaderXan Of course it does; both can be portrayed on one or other side of that very fuzzy grey area. But it's interesting to me -- now that I've had the idea put in my head -- that the man's vengeful misanthropy makes him a hero while the woman's protective misanthropy makes her a villain.
I am, of course, simplifying the long history of each character significantly.
@Steinar @PsyChuan @pettter @InvaderXan I'm not entirely sure why that would be hollow. But anyway, wouldn't it be kinda weird if a hero decided to enforce an ad hoc law and use their might to overrule the justice system? Or (I don't know batman lore) are the lawmakers of gotham corrupt and batman is powerless to make a change?
@byllgrim @PsyChuan @pettter @InvaderXan The point is Batman is breaking laws himself, and rather more serious laws than property damage. “Vigilantism looks cool when the shitupfucker is doing something nice...”
New head canon? Batman is an invincible hero with the best plot armor in the business, and a multibillionaire to boot, that he is unable to change Gotham shows he is somehow in the game himself.
@PsyChuan why do you say this? None of the other replies under the op was in response to an explicit request for opinion. Neither was your own first post in this thread. So why exactly do you respond in this way to me?
@vidyasagar I forget where exactly I found this panel, so I went looking. It's from Harley Quinn Road Trip Special #1, written by Amanda Conner and Jimmy Palmiotti, and illustrated by Bret Blevins.
You can read it online here:
@InvaderXan I think she has a pretty sound argument that vines are allowed to grow up buildings all the time and nobody gets in trouble for it but whenever SHE so much as thinks of doing a little gardening fucking batman shows up
there are no laws against plants growing up buildings, what she's doing is 100% legal
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