appreciated @pluralistic line of not wanting to join a platform without credible freedom of exit (https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/)
but also from other sources it seems to me like bluesky does have credible freedom of exit just with a different architecture than activity pub? (e.g. https://fediversereport.com/a-conceptual-model-of-atproto-and-activitypub/ by @fediversereport and https://whtwnd.com/alexia.bsky.cyrneko.eu/3l727v7zlis2i)
also this reference to someone setting up their own relay to mimic the bluesky relay https://bsky.app/profile/alice.mosphere.at/post/3l47yhps2xv2c which is the most expensive infra to replicate current bluesky
curious what people see as the obstacles to credible freedom of exit?
interesting set of criticisms to credible freedom of exit here from @jonny here https://neuromatch.social/@jonny/113365406995624763
mostly about the messiness of multiple relays, even if another relay is technically possible
there is a lot going on here that im still trying to wrap my head around
but the fact that an organization other than bsky could spin up a new relay and app view which reads from all the same pdses as the original plus additional ones still seems to me like a significant form of freedom of exit
even if other labellers, feed generators and services that worked with the original wouldn't be cleanly portable with the new relay+appview
like I think @bnewbold describes here https://sunbeam.city/@bnewbold@social.coop/113380830904470229
my reading is that the messiness @jonny describes would be about having feed generators or other intermediate/bonus infrastructure that work with multiple relays?
if you are ok with the alternative relay+appview just sharing data with the old network, but not feed generators and labelers etc., then my understanding is the messiness would not apply and people using the old and new/alternative appview could still interact in a sane way? unless im missing something?
@notplants @bnewbold was just about to link jonny's thread
But i think in the end, we only know independent instances are possible once we see them
agreed a real-world running app/appview that sanely interacts with the current network but doesn't use any bsky infra other than some of the pdses it pulls from, would be more convincing than any essay or theory