Socialists want compensation for the full value of our labor, democratic control of the structures we built and use, common ownership of the bounties of nature that no one has the right to hoard, and full control over our personal property without restrictions on use, repair, modification, etc
All of those things *are ours*, but they've been stolen from our ancestors. We just want them back
@socalledunitedstates really? i can't think of a single successful socialist revolution in history that didn't have as a central component the redistribution of wealth (not "paper and bytes" - land, houses, factories, etc). of course putting the economic forces that reproduce society under the control of the people who work them is the ongoing goal but how could that be done without a dramatic redistribution of wealth from the ruling class to the proletariat?
@lavender When liberals use the term they typically mean money, so I was talking about that. Scope my previous toot in this thread, I did acknowledge the need to redistribute material resources
@socalledunitedstates ohhhh I see we might be discussing with different understandings of what "wealth" means
@rekh127 It's typically talked about wrt money, yeah. I didn't know the term was used differently by leftists
@socalledunitedstates ah, yeah, colloquially it means money, but economics wise usually doesn't, like most of billionaires billions is not money, just the tip of the pyramid. your landlords wealth is all the buildings he owns that he uses to get money from you.
@socalledunitedstates but then people measure that in dollar value and life gets complicated. I hate money haha
@socalledunitedstates that is redistribution of wealth :p its what liberals do that is called redistribution of wealth that Isnt
@rekh127 Well I guess we let them take the term then, because I've never heard real socialists call it that
@socalledunitedstates I guess I dont know, but I also dont know if im a socialist, as a anarchist/communist, but redistributing the wealth is the whole goal of left economics right? Land is the base of all wealth, then improvements and tools like factories, apartments, transit, utilities, etc added on are human factors like education, skills etc. And we want these things held by all and not by their current remote owners?
@socalledunitedstates Though mostly the people who use the term are conservatives accusing liberals of doing it who then deny it, maybe communists should own it and explain why its a good thing.
Sunbeam City is a Libertarian Socialist solarpunk instance. It is ran democratically by a cooperative of like-minded individuals.