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Anti homeless sentiment 

I still see people saying "if shelters don't require sobriety, we can't guarantee a clean, safe place for homeless people." Like, what if we just gave people housing and let them build a good life on that foundation instead of making people's shelter dependent upon them living our idea of a perfect life? It's a lot easier to build a clean, safe life with four walls and a roof than it is from the street level

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Also, like... Just because someone is homeless, contrary to popular belief, doesn't mean they have no right to privacy.

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"it's more complicated than just giving people homes"
Is it?

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@interneteh we can't help homeless people unless they meet my very specific and arbitrary qualifications for someone who deserves help

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@JohnBrownJr when do unsheltered people get to vote on whether you deserve housing

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@interneteh give every homeless person a loaded gun and make sure they know there are more uninhabited homes than homeless people

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@JohnBrownJr I dunno how you couldn't know that, living on the street

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@interneteh "Yeah. The rich landlords that own the homes have every right to do what they please with them."

Are they living in them?

"Well, no, but that's--"

Then they shouldn't own them since they personally are not using them. So we requisition them and give the title to homeless people.

"But they bought them fair and--"

Then give them their money back so they can invest it in areas that don't allow them to exploit people.

"But--"

You're a butt.

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@KitsuneAlicia oh I dunno about having their money back... it isn't theirs really

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@interneteh True. I'm tired atm, so I'm apparently already compromising before negotiations have even begun.

(Not thar there should be any negotiations in the first place since it's literally people's livelihoods at stake here, ofc, but you know what I mean.)

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@KitsuneAlicia @interneteh ask them how much a human life costs

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@ben @KitsuneAlicia a neoliberal will get out a calculator

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@interneteh @KitsuneAlicia dwarf fortress solved capitalism being broken by deleting the economy

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@ben This just sent me down a weird rabbit hole that's making me realize more and more that Dwarf Fortress is basically a socialist / kinda mutualist work commune simulator. Complete with a ready supply of nobility to execute at the first provocation.

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@MrControll I mean, have you seen the kinds of things @it_was_inevitable quotes sheriffs on?

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@interneteh @KitsuneAlicia if you want a fun read some time, go look up all the bugs and weird workarounds that the economy had before it was removed

here's a sample: the words "welfare lever"

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@ben @interneteh In all honesty, I was originally thinking of tying Bernie's Medicare For All plan into this and comparing landlords to insurance companies. I just ran out of characters. XD

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@KitsuneAlicia @ben @interneteh If someone "owns" thousands of times the "value" of a human life, what does that mean?

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@just_one_question @ben @interneteh That that person is a god.

And we all know what to do with gods. -puts on a mask and grabs the lighters and molotov cocktails-

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@ben @interneteh Tbh, I think I'd prefer using Luka's sword from the Monster Girl Quest H-game.

monstergirlquest.fandom.com/wi

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@KitsuneAlicia @interneteh @ben I'll go warm up my giant robot. You need nothing less to kill a god

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@KitsuneAlicia @just_one_question @ben @interneteh Star Trek had a pretty good take here:

"Our gods are dead. Ancient Klingon warriors slew them a millennia ago. They were... more trouble than they were worth."

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@frostotron @KitsuneAlicia @interneteh

If you play a catgirl in GW2 this is literally the first thing your character says:

wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fury_

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@ben @KitsuneAlicia @interneteh Oh I like that.

"With engines of destruction we have killed our gods."

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@frostotron @KitsuneAlicia @interneteh

it's not a metaphor either

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@interneteh of course it is, we have to make sure that wealth is perfectly protected before we waste time on frivolities like basic necessities for anyone else

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@interneteh that free housing program in Salt Lake City (I think?) from a few years ago really opened my eyes on this

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@Louisa tell me more! I'd love to hear it

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@interneteh oh boy, I don't even remember how many years ago it was... let me Google a bit

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@Louisa no worries, but it sounds interesting

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@interneteh npr.org/2015/12/10/459100751/u

Looking into it, I see that everyone thinks the idea is still sound but in the past few years the funding has been cut and the project is faltering, which is unsurprising but very disappointing

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@Louisa yeah, programs like that get attacked because it really IS as simple as giving people homes, but we can't let that get out

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@Louisa @interneteh this is a great article but the guy who decided to help initiate the project because he went to a talk and realized it was cheaper to house them than leave them on the street....... and that was his only real reason..... how do conservatives fucking exist

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@myconidiosyncracy @interneteh I know, he's awful πŸ˜•

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@myconidiosyncracy @Louisa I mean, to me, that sounds like a good reason. They don't exactly publicize this fact. He took a peek thru the ideology and did the right thing bc he had the resources to. If more rich people did this, I might believe in capitalism

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@interneteh @Louisa yeah you're right, it's good that it happened and it's good to see old rich people change their opinion based on new information. it's just also pretty sickening that his mind was only changed by the idea of saving fucking money

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@myconidiosyncracy @Louisa hahaha, yeah... I guess if you only look at life as price tags. But there are tremendous societal costs to things like homelessness, untreated illnesses, lack of education and more. They don't get discussed because that's not what we value as a society. We value stock prices and profits.

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@interneteh also addicts use because they don't wish to be present in their own lives, making their lives more livable and less shitty is the first best way to help them recover

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@taweret people use and get clean for a huge variety of reasons, but on balance, yeah, it's easier to do with security, food and shelter.

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@interneteh America is a horrible place.

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@interneteh This is quite a thread so I don't know if it's been posted yet, but housing for people who struggle to maintain sobriety improves that sobriety when sobriety *isn't* required: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/223905

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@interneteh lyrics to my girls by animal collective apply here.

genius.com/Animal-collective-m
(Apparently can't copy text on their website on mobile)

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