Working in science, I'm always one rejected funding proposal away from becoming a comic book supervillain.


For real though, I don't get why anyone working in science in the 21st century would be anything other than anticapitalist. Or critical of it at the very least. It does nothing but make our lives difficult.

We're all constantly grovelling for funds. Important articles are hidden behind paywalls. We need to pay to get stuff published. And I'm so tired of hearing things like "yes we'd love to hire you, but we don't have any funding right now."

@InvaderXan they might simply not think in terms of Capitalism vs X. I've never read an economist who uses the term, they speak rather of restriction on trade and incentives.

Hardly surprising. Economists talking broadly in terms of "capitalism" would be a bit like chemists talking broadly in terms of "chemicals". Their profession necessitates a more detailed and nuanced view.

Also, studying economics is not the same as studying economic theories. In the econ department there is no discussion of alternatives to capitalism. They don't even consider it

@InvaderXan They use those terms when studying all Economic entities, not just capitalist countries... unless you think all countries are Capitalist, in which case I'm not sure what the basis of comparison is.

Personally, I've found the terms of the 19th century fit poorly with the global, silicon-based exchanges of the modern era.

I know this pain all too well. My favorite has been trying to convince a funder of the financial value of species conservation.

Ugh. I hate having to think in terms of costs and values. Research just doesn't work that way.

Nope. My other one is when you have a boom year and suddenly the species isn't in decline.

Oh gods, that's no better than "it's cold outside today, so global warming must be over."

My current project is one of these and this year might be a boom year so it'll be interesting to see what data we get.

@InvaderXan Almost as if communism was one of Merton's norms for a reason

Private Grants are a thing.
I'm not saying they're better than public funding for pro-social R&D
I'm just saying that they're out there.

Also, consider people who get to go into academia because they come from privileged backgrounds and can afford to.

In physical science, those are even more competitive than the oversubscribed public funding sources. And getting away from people telling me what to work on is supposed to be why I’m here.

Also, I have considered those people. The fact that everyone thinks those people are the norm is precisely what makes things so difficult for the rest of us.

I'm glad that's already within your consideration.
I don't think I said that was the norm?
Perhaps next time I'll read your full argument before participating if you will make the details available?
*Backs their casual ass slowly out of the Vent*

Errr... no, you didn't say that. That was a thing I was telling you. Chill.

My point was that yes, there are people like that and they really don't help matters. Some people can afford to go without pay for a few months between contracts. The rest of us struggle in situations like that.

@InvaderXan same.

It takes a long time to unlearn the false promises of capitalism. It’s so engrained in the education process that even the most educated have a hard time seeing through it all.

Unfortunately (at least in the US) much non-commercial science funds come from the government, so you’re at their mercy too.

I can't speak for the US, but government funding is a double edged sword. On one hand, it's public funding and it's not driven by profit. On the other hand, governments are quite blasé about cutting that funding on a whim.

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