thanks again to @mirsal for patiently sprinkling their network wisdom on us, and solving the last issue holding up our internal instance.

expect to see some exciting software progress soon, now that we have a solid test environment.


more mArKEt ResEaRCh 

@M0YNG Yeah, if there's a way to make a multi-select poll I couldn't find it, but that would have been ideal 😅 Thanks so much! 🙏
– @3wc

more mArKEt ResEaRCh 

A Crowd-funder Approaches!

We'll be launching a campaign soon, via , to make sure we can cover costs to get our VPS hosting going.

If you'd be interested in contributing to this fundraising drive, would you potentially want:

"market research" i guess 

Personally, I'd definitely like to be able to get down to those prices as a default, and I think we'll get there with scale (if the project works out 😅).

What we could start sooner – maybe before launch – is working out a sliding scale / solidarity rate; we do that at @autonomic, it'll be interesting to see how it'd fit into VPS hosting.

"market research" i guess 

@dysphoricunicorn wow, thanks for the info! Would you mind sharing which company this is with?

"market research" i guess 

For 's own VPS hosting, running on donated hardware in Ashton, we're shooting for "ethical and cheap". What do you think of this pricing?

Micro - 0.5GB RAM, 1 CPU - £5/month

Tiny - 1GB RAM, 1 CPU - £7.50/month

Small - 2GB RAM, 2 CPU - £16.50/month

Medium - 4GB RAM, 3 CPU - £35/month

Large - 8GB RAM, 4 CPU - £75/month

(we're considering allocating 25GB disk to all servers to start with, storage pricing beyond that to be decided)


@penguin42 I'm really interested to try Odoo, I haven't yet, I have heard that the open version is quite limited.

It looks like we'll be able to use Capsul for for the moment – we're putting in support for non-USD currencies, and might end up needing to add subscription (instead of prepaid credit) billing soon... but it's hard to resist something that goes all the way from "payment with Stripe" to "running VM", especially when it already uses a virt stack that a few of us are already familiar with.

@penguin42 in terms of "what's missing", I wrote some stuff here:

From a hoster's perspective the main thing that seems to be missing is automation. E.g. OpenNebula is amazing but as far as I know at this point you still have to roll your own billing.

– 3wc

@penguin42 nope, part of the project is to build a brand new, confusingly-similarly-named Ashton 😛 (it was a typo)

amazing meeting today – thanks again to the community members and the other coalition folks who joined.

6 people in 5 countries 🤯 The Servers Dot Coop International 💪

we're going to speak again next week to try and finalise (and maybe launch? 🤞) our crowdfunder. Stay tuned!


tech update

We've got another temporary rented dedicated server to use for development and testing, to be able to keep our service more stable. This should speed up our hacking (thanks again to Animorph Co-op for the development help!) on Capsul-Flask, and our other tech infrastructure.

We're looking to move everything to our own hardware, as soon as it's set up, but it's interesting doing this safari of commercial hosting providers in the mean-time.

– 3wc

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@underlap both!

If you're setting up a server hosting provider, you could use the tech or organisational recipes (or both!) to give you a head-start, and get help from the community.

If you're setting up a server, you can get ethical hosting:
1. Right now, from the coalition members Mediablaze¹ and Cyberia²
2. Very soon: from the upcoming Beta, hosted on donated hardware in Ashton-under-Lyne
3. Medium-term: from any one of a network of collectives.

– 3wc

a bit about the tech stack

Our current plan is to use Cyberia's capsul-flask, which is a web interface for the well-tested libvirtd / KVM stack

capsul-flask is simple enough for humans to hack on, and handles the whole process from "user buying hosting credits" to "self-managing virtual servers". It's been powering for a while, and also our own pre-alpha service on

We also looked into OpenNebula, which has a lot more features, but there's a big gap where a payments / billing system needs to be.

What tech would you like to see in the platform? Do you have experience running virtual servers for your community which you'd like to share? Reply here, send us a DM, or join our -tech Matrix channel 🤙

@ak definitely! And maybe you'll hear of a data centre (or a well-ventilated renewable-energy-powered cupboard) over that side, and make a Near You 🤔

@ak you caught us, we're just suckers for aqueducts 🙃

(real answer: one of our members is involved with a co-op hosted data-centre in the Ashton Old Baths

@powersource currently if a collective wants to offer VPSs to others, they have to either use proprietary software, or do shittons of manual work, or both.

Our theory is that if the path from "we found a server in a bin" / "we pooled our money and bought a secondhand server off the internet" to "people paying for VPSs" were shorter, then there would be a lot more ethical hosting options.

– 3wc

@emory we're hoping to be helpful for all of these situations.

"Springfield Server Collective" or "RLang Data Science Hosting" could use's tech/governance stack to start offering VPS hosting.

Existing community groups – and have expressed interest – could use one of those new hosting collectives, or use's upcoming hosting directly.

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