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Petitions are the most worthless thing. You can get 7 billion signatures but if they know we won't do shit if they ignore it they don't have to give a damn
There's a pervasive liberal myth that the powerful care, or even want to know, what we think. It's the same thought process behind sidewalk protests, because the thing that *really* causes change is witty slogans on posterboard
These things have *never* worked, yet people still believe that all we need is a few more signatures and a few more protestors and then they'll crack. Why should they?
The only language the ruling class speaks is force. If you don't make it more damaging for them to keep up than to relent to you, they won't give a fuck
One smashed storefront is worth more than all the petitions in the world
@socalledunitedstates Right?!
And one of the only reasons protest ever effects even small change is when the implied threat of direct action overwhelms the protection from it that the folks in power can afford.
That's why you might see a city council backing off on a tremendously unpopular policy change, but you'll never see ICE or the police back down without pressure from their handlers.
@Zuph Protests only work as a threat of force. They work when the ruling class can be certain that most if not all of the people they see *will* take action if they don't get what they want
But they know liberals won't, because their brainwashing has convinced them that rioting is "improper"
@Zuph The liberal worldview relies on the idea that the system is ruled by the will of the people, so if that's the case then force is never justified - they just need to be told more clearly what the will of the people is and they'll happily oblige
Nevermind that that's been proven bullshit all throughout history
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@socalledunitedstates
I can 100% confirm this, Philadelphia recently managed to pass some laws where now landlords can't evict tenants without a valid reason, and it's the direct result of tenant's unions being organized and putting pressure on the city council
@bob Looking back on when I was a progressive liberal, it's maddening how naive that idea is. I was honestly one step away from "you know what, I'll just send all the CEOs and senators an email - once they realize how sensible all this is I'm sure they'll come around!"
They don't get into that position by being stupid, y'all. They know that other ideas might work, but when you say "making people's lives better" they hear "loosening the subjugation of our workers" which is just not an option
An exhausted workforce is pliable, easily manipulated, ready to buy all the convenience products you can sell them. Better yet, they're unwilling to organize or take direct action - they don't have the time or energy
This is the factor that progressivism fails to recognize: that we're miserable because they need us to be, not because our interests conflict with their desire for money
@socalledunitedstates @bob It's "conflict theory vs mistake theory" in general. Some people are seriously confident that if we communicate our ideas well enough then all problems will be solved.
I don't think that sidewalk protests are useless tho - they're not the worst instrument to raise awareness about something (especially if you don't look like wackos), they're not for overthrowing something obviously
@socalledunitedstates the thing about the street protests is being part of a broader strategy, it's not going to do too much by itself but it is a show of force, especially when it can interfere with normal operations, like the people that turned up to blockade the venezuelan embassy to keep guaido and company from taking it over