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Governance not government

Policy not politics

Hector
@socalledunitedstates please enlighten me as to what each of these slogans means.
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@hector Direct democracy and cooperation rather than bureaucracy. By working together equally we can achieve everything that a hierarchical system can while retaining everyone's voices and freedoms

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Hector
@socalledunitedstates so democracy is fine as long as it's "direct democracy"? So if 51% of people agree on something, the other 49% are just going to roll over and have to accept it? Will these policies be funded by taxes? How are public policies to be enforced without agents of enforcement? You are being absurd because you want to have your cake and eat it too.
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@hector I haven't even given you any specifics, you're really assuming a lot here. If you're genuinely curious I can give you some further reading to check out that can resolve some of your questions, but I'm not interested in arguing with a stranger, sorry

Hector
@socalledunitedstates yeah you haven't given any specifics because it's obviously self-contradictory. Give me a source if you like.
Hector
@socalledunitedstates I'm not. Why are you being evasive and acting like I'm the one who needs to explain why "Governance without government" is an absurd statement, rather than the other way around?
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@hector I'm not being evasive, and I never asked you to explain anything. I never asked you to interact at all. I don't owe you anything, and this pointed accusatory tone is eroding my patience and draining my already-scarce mental energy

Hector
@socalledunitedstates fine then, if you don't like anybody disagreeing with you because you perceive an "accusatory tone", and thereby paint yourself as a victim simply because someone replied to a public post asking for specifics, then keep your poorly worded slogans to yourself. Guess you really don't have much mental energy because you haven't spent any of it on critically thinking through your political theories.
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@hector Fuck, whatever, yeah, you win. Here's your trophy: 🏆

xAn

@hector

I can understand something like governance system based on consensus and participatory metodologies...

The government and the arganizational estructure exits, but its not the model of govs. in the Democracies of the States that actually exists...

xAn

@hector
Useful dialogue.. I think that in the
theoretical context that @socalledunitedstates introduce us, consensus or integrative decisions (#holocracy - #sociocracy) are the
systems for participative and integrative decision making.

We are human beings trying to live together in different spaces and communities... not numbers or ℅ 🤗

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