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@cocoron (Doykeit, "hereness", is a Bundist ideology, standing in opposition to the utopian visions of the Zionists who talked up "we will go to a land of our own and form a Jewish State there", and instead argues for Jews (and everyone) focusing on working for societal changes in the places where they live.

e.g., the song Oy, Ir Narishe Tsienistn/Oh, You Foolish Zionists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQMRwk8WDd4
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@gaditb @cocoron I am 100% in favor of this, but how does this work?

@justin_c_rounds @cocoron I mean, I'm not sure I was advocating it, so much as drawing a similarity? I think? -- what it's doing is pushing against the sense that the best thing to do is leave and set up a new society (in Israel).

Which only makes sense in a political evironment where you and your audience are being exhorted to leave to <place>.

Like you can probably find univeralisms from it, but it's not the POINT.

@gaditb @cocoron Thanks! I think your point about being "exhorted" is in alignment with how I feel.

I just see a lot of information about how to run off and start a homestead or similar, but not a lot of information about the alternatives.

@justin_c_rounds @cocoron And never gathered and put forward as a comprehensive ALTERNATIVE to running.
A homestead is a Image, something you can Visualize -- the alternative needs to be likewise.