Is there a zine that's like, prepping but for collectivists? As in "when the 18-wheelers stop coming, here's what to do." How to grow food in soil you can't test, how to make abandoned buildings livable, how to maintain and create organization with your neighbors, food preservation, medicine, etc

Something you can stash in a drawer for just-in-case, to keep your neighbors alive in case of collapse. I'd definitely buy one

I have had thoughts about how to grow in soil you can't test, both for collapse scenarios and for guerilla gardening

Sunflowers absorb toxins really well, are easy to find en masse as bird seed or for consumption (yes, both will grow), and can act as a living trellis, so those would likely be the basis. Following that, I know that fruits (in the botanical sense, not the culinary one) take in very little of the toxins in the soil compared to leaves, shoots, and roots, so those should be preferred

Something like a modified three-sisters method, with sunflowers replacing the corn and paired with any climber and any gourd, might work well. It'd end up being more foolproof and lower-maintenance too due to the synergy

@socalledunitedstates yes, but sunflowers are incredibly thirsty plants, as well. In the event of a climate crisis, where water isn't as easily accessible, you're immediately left at an extreme disadvantage. It depends a lot on what contaminants you're trying to deal with and the zone you live in.
Which, naturally, makes a catch all zine like this very difficult.

@socalledunitedstates speaking from knowledge and experience here one of the most valuable things you can learn is how to procure seeds from wild flowers. ESPECIALLY wild gradded. Prairie grasses, clovers, and fescues are phenomenal at fertilizing AND removing toxins. For example.

@socalledunitedstates grasses*
Anyway anything in the fescue family is extremely drought tolerant.

@vaporwavewitch @socalledunitedstates Speaking of which, corn is in the grass family, and has relatively low water needs for a grain.

@socalledunitedstates I've done modified three sisters plantings with sunflowers replacing the corn, and they do in fact work very well! Morning glories, moonflowers, scarlet runner beans, etc. have gotten added to mine as well. The flowers draw in even more pollinators, and at the end of the season I was able to just set out the sunflower seedheads and let my ducks pick the seeds out themselves.

@socalledunitedstates Once the plants are mature, with ripe flowerheads bending the stalks and squash/bean vines helping wrestle them down, you tend to get really neat little tunnels that feel super nice to just hang out in. (See also: sunflower houses.)

@socalledunitedstates Having Deep Adaptation zines/how-tos would be invaluable, and something I hope to contribute to. Short of some mild hording, figuring out everything from making tools to teaching people cooperation as a skill is really important

@dirething I think my hypothetical guide would take the perspective of "here's how to build self-sufficiency using only what's already on store shelves and in people's garages, assuming nothing else will ever arrive in your community." Now that I say it out loud, I'm realizing it'd be a good idea to take some lessons from Cuba

I wish I wasn't so shit at organizing and making things tbh. I come up with ideas and I do a little bit of practical work in my town and that's it. I want to actually do these ideas at some point

@socalledunitedstates yeah, I feel the same way re: organizing and such.

That idea for a guide is good, but I feel we can do so much better if we act now. Millions of people need housing, food, and water and for it to be local. I feel that humans are perfectly capable of this, even if it's a drastic change.

like some communities possibly are not sustainable, and we need to think out potential natural problems from fires to earthquakes

@socalledunitedstates hunkering down and being able to use the limited available resources is useful, but i don't think it's enough to sustain the human species for any length of time

@dirething We're working on that! I don't think collecting some info for an emergency would cut too far into the rest of the base building we're doing as a movement, right?

@socalledunitedstates Oh completely! We can do multiple things, and likely should or even have to. I guess I of course worry that "we" think about only one solution, but then I go and kinda do it myself haha :) Plus, emergency preparedness is super important regardless of the general state of humanity. We will have to incorporate that knowledge into our understanding of having a functioning community (sorry for the sorta stream of conciousness, I am excited about such topics :) )

@socalledunitedstates tbh i would love to either buy or be in on such a zine. i love prepping, usually as a way to reclaim a feeling of agency, but i also am (understandably) SUPER wary of the prepping... like... community.

@occoris @socalledunitedstates I'm checking this thread every day to see if someone started working on this yet.

@socalledunitedstates this can be a tricky needle to thread because these zones of deprivation already exist, and people are already doing what they can with what they have (I did see you mentioned Cuba). Like, the knowledge is there, and it's coming from Indigenous and displaced people. But how do we share and build together globally with those with limited access? I'll be the first to say I have no idea

@hamsterpower @socalledunitedstates fwiw it was similar in Soviet Union that there were not much food to buy so that people grew more themselves. Many people still do and my family did until quite recently grow things in a quite dry area with nothing but cold winters and short summer. It's probably not that kind of urban/guerilla you think of but it also works provided there's land (and there's a lot of unused land usually)

@socalledunitedstates I don't have anything prepper-ish personally. Really any homesteading, wildlife, or gardening book will do the trick (if people are selling you prep stuff they're usually selling you "stuff").

One book I do recommend from my own collection is called The Barefood Architect. It was written by a former UN worker who had hands on experience with building villages in rural Brazil using local and historical methods to match the environment.

@socalledunitedstates Given Brazil's various climates it can be used in Europe/NA and has been translated for use in Africa as well. I personally consider it a standard of simplicity, community, and low-energy/sustainable town-planning.

@Guinevere There are a ton of rad resources like that, but what I'm thinking is more "if things go belly-up here's a quick crash course for absolutely anyone to start preparing their community and lessening the impact on day 1"

@socalledunitedstates I mean, I understand the thought process there. But I think that sort of thinking might be dangerous long term. If you don't intuitively know how to do this stuff right at the start you're not going to last through the critical period if you're so green you could get yourself sick in your first 12 hours. Surviving would take practice and repetition which is something the majority of the population won't be prepared for just because of our current social structures.

@Guinevere Obviously I'm not saying "stop teaching people important skills and giving them experience with self-sufficiency because all we need is one zine," I just think it may be a good idea. And it could suggest that you find and work with the people who *do* have that experience

True, I don't mean to sound aggressive. I'd just be afraid of complacancy setting in after seeing enough Naked and Afraid episodes. (Not that I consider it a good source of accurate info but it really viscerally shows off how just intensely bad modern people are at surviving in the wild compared to hunter gatherers.)

OOOH OOOOOOH I've been reading a similar book recently! It's The $50 And Up Underground House Book by Mike Oehler and it's a great guide on how to build underground houses with salvaged or local materials! Actually nice underground houses, with light and attached greenhouses and windows and views and stuff!

@socalledunitedstates i keep thinking it’d be cool to compile all the endless practical stuff i’m learning into one binder of notes on how not to get dead. might be a cool community project.

@socalledunitedstates Are you thinking in terms of the ‘deep adaptation’ agenda, Jem Bendell?

@socalledunitedstates love this, but unfortunately i think finding things that are general enough to work anywhere but effective enough to actually help.

some really general tips the:

- start learning to grow food now. you need to find a multiple sources of protein that you can grow in your environment.

- knowing what you nutritional NEED is important, such as what vitamins are necessary to keep you going.

- experience is better than most books. learn your area b4 you HAVE to!


@socalledunitedstates Not sure if it's precisely the doomsday guide you're looking for, but I got a lot out of John Michael Greer's book "Green Wizardry: Conservation, Solar Power, Organic Gardening, and Other Hands-On Skills From the Appropriate Tech Toolkit"

@socalledunitedstates It's the conquest of bread or "war communism" question. In recent history Cuba provides an example of adaptation to loss of trade relations, via a combination of the end of the USSR and economic sanctions from the US.
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