"Just go zero-waste!" is to environmentalism as "Just give up all the software you currently use and vet, hack, and troubleshoot all of your software yourself, building an encyclopedic knowledge of all the ways you're tracked and blocking each one!" is to infosec
It shouldn't be our responsibility to keep companies from stealing our data, nor should it be our responsibility to keep them from giving us plastic packaging. Especially when the alternatives are so inaccessible to the average person. Stop blaming the victim
You fight this by building alternatives. Open a zero-waste food coop that collects glass pasta sauce jars and gives them away to customers. Host a FLOSS fair at your public library where you install (and teach basic literacy on) open-source OS's on computers and phones. Don't expect people to go it alone and do all the work, we can all help each other
As an Environmentalist myself I also frequently lament the classism I see in a lot of Environmental stuff.
Like, look pasture-raised, grass-fed, free-range meat can easily go for $10-15 a pound which puts it way out of reach of most families
And going Vegan is not a good option in a food desert where the only produce available is cheap canned vegetables that have had all the nutrients boiled out of them
I try to do the best I can but I can't afford everything organic.
Yeah that was a casualty of the 500 character limit. I used organic produce to mean that ideally I would like produce that was grown carefully and in an environmentally friendly matter and even more ideally was grown and picked by people earning a living wage and not this under-the-table no-insurance off-the-books exploiting Migrant labot shit that some agricultural groups do.
I'm about this.
@socalledunitedstates "glass pasta sauce jars" What are these?
@gemlog Glass jars that pasta sauce come in
@socalledunitedstates I didn't realize that was a thing even. Special jars of some kind I guess where you live.
Where i live pasta sauce comes off the stove or, later, in these:
Or maybe you mean these
I have now found these too, but who would do that? https://www.realcanadiansuperstore.ca/Food/Pantry/Canned-%26-Jarred/Pasta-%26-Pasta-Sauce/plp/RCSS001008003002?navid=pasta-pasta-sauce
@socalledunitedstates agreed as long as it's not meant to imply that people who know of alternatives should be content with just giving up
just because you can't do it perfectly doesn't mean you shouldn't do it at all
@socalledunitedstates the elitism around computing and tech work is so disgusting, i can’t believe that ive been at it my entire life and people still talk to me like an absolute moron. open source communities are some of the worst, and not only is it ignored, in many cases this nastiness is encouraged (see the Arch Linux community, for a good example)
@self just go browse their forums or jump into their IRC and casually mention that you use an AUR frontend and see what reaction you get. I love Arch but their community largely thrives on talking down to or disparaging new users for taking shortcuts, making simple mistakes or having reached incorrect conclusions rather than, say, trying to understand how that person got there in the first place and working to fix that.
@socalledunitedstates moreover the impact we can have as individuals are far less efficient that the one these companies could have
@greta You can make your own post
Yes, thank you.
I replied because talk of environmentalism without mention of animal agriculture or the pathway to victory, namely Veganism, is talk without substance.
I was adding vital information to the conversation with my reply.
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