so I've been listening to y'all bitch and moan about XR and Earth Strike and quite frankly, I agree with you. So I've been drafting up a proposal for a loose network of activists (united by shared principles rather than with any official structure, think antifa) to work alongside such groups to try and make sure the climate movement isn't dissolved or crushed, and I've posted it as a page in the wiki. Please give it a read and share it if you like it, trynna get other propaganda stuff based around its principles on the go too
Climate collapse is class war
Capitalism and centralisation have devastated our planet
Direct Action and Autonomy - not looking to elected representatives for reform
Climate issues are social issues
Consensus is key - All Power to the People!
Rejection of the state and police
The climate struggle is an internationalist struggle
@radikalgrafitio consensus isn't the same thing as unanimity, one person can try all they like to block shit, if the overwhelming majority of the group disagree then they wouldn't be able to block anything. I didn't say direct democracy because it's not feasible to function that way in a group without formal structure
@scottishwobbly well, consensus is an actual formal discussion making procedure though, which includes blocks, which people do use
maybe you meant something different, but in the context this seemed most likely
also, if you have a group without a formal structure it still has an informal structure, so it tends to be result in the most popular, more confidant, longer term members having disproportionate influence, with structures this can be managed to some degree
you also call this a federation, but a federation a a set of groups which federate together and make some decisions collectivity
what your describing is a network, which is fine, both federations and networks have there uses, and federations can probably form out of networks, but they are different things
@radikalgrafitio a federation of worker co-ops and community assemblies is what the proposal aims towards, but it's more a loose network yeah, also honestly this is what I meant by consensus, nothing complicated
You'll probably find, esp. in the context of NVDA / climate focused groups that when you say "consensus" people will already have an expectation of a specific process, probably very similar to this:
If that's not what you mean, avoiding the word will avoid confusion.
@scottishwobbly How about instead of/in addition to consensus using the principle of dictatorship of the initiative?
@restioson how about just general agreement so that groups can decide which method is best for them locally?
@scottishwobbly well obviously each situation will require its own decision making process. Dictatorship of the initiative is perhaps a useful tool though, for some teams and organisational structures/level if not all. For instance, the group in the UK would have externally dictatorship of the initiative -- it wouldnt have to seek consensus from the USA group unless it affected the USA group as well (in which case they would be involved and be involved in decision making).
@scottishwobbly good shit. I'd recommend having a look at Crisis and Mobilisation and Organizational Materialism for additional ideas but what you've got here def sounds like a pretty solid strategic foundation
@scottishwobbly I laugh when I hear about XR, because there's an adult toy company called XR. Don't ask how I know that :)
@scottishwobbly what are the issues with earth strike? I haven’t heard most of them I don’t think. I thought they were somewhat valid because the IWW EUC supports them but apparently not?
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