Trans people, politics, we live in a society 

Dickheads have a go at trans people for being "delusional" as if the whole of human society isn't some kind of collective delusion.

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Trans people, politics, we live in a society 

The correct left libertarian response that even people who are bigoted should get behind is:

"People should be able to do what they want with their body and live their life with as much freedom as possible"

Trans people, politics, we live in a society 

If you can't get behind that, then fundamentally you're harbouring a deep fascistic desire to control others.

Trans people, politics, we live in a society 

I think about that a lot.

In day to day life, I don't want to have to rely on the notion that everyone will understand us and respect us. That's a slow cultural form of progress that takes a long time and is unevenly distributed around the world.

Honestly, indifference is fine. Gimme that sweet sweet "I don't care because it doesn't effect me" energy from the cis hets.

Trans people, politics, we live in a society 

I find this a lot better to interface with than liberal notions of "tolerance" which can be draining af.

Trans people, politics, we live in a society 

@kawaiipunk

An anecdote on that note. Years ago I was dating a trans woman who was early in her transition and hadn't been "out" with strangers before.

I suggested a game night with my friends. We're all NYCers.

I called each one up to explain how sensitive she was and ask if her being trans was going to be an issue. Each one of them said one of two things, verbatim.

"What do I care; this is New York."

or

"This is New York, what do I care?"

Trans people, politics, we live in a society 

@emacsen oh that's so interesting!

There's so many level to analyse what these folks said this on.

There's municipal pride. There's a kinda working class solidarity "we're all in this together" thing. Then there's obviously a kind of trust towards you, their friend.

Trans people, politics, we live in a society 

@kawaiipunk

New York is a city that functions by the idea that we all have to get along because we have no choice. New Yorkers are also, in my experience, very caring people who like to project that they don't care at all, it's a defense mechanism.

Basically New Yorkers feel like "You can do anything you want as long as you're not in my way."

"In the way" can be metaphorical as well as literal

Also, when 10 people say the same thing, it's odd. :)

Trans people, politics, we live in a society 

@kawaiipunk

just btw, just in, result from negotiations for new _german_ gov (between green, social democrats, liberal) :

“We will act resolutely in all areas against anti-Semitism, racism, right-wing extremism, Islamism, left-wing extremism, homophobia, queer hostility and every other form of misanthropy, so that diversity is also safe for everyone
and possible. The public sector and its institutions must be role models here.

We want to supplement the equal treatment article of the Basic Law (Article 3 Paragraph 3 of the Basic Law) with a ban on discrimination on the basis of sexual identity and replace the term “race” in the Basic Law.

etc. [autotranslated]

Trans people, politics, we live in a society 

@kawaiipunk It’s kind of implicit in what you said, but I’d add, “And if they say that being treated a certain way (misgendering, eg) hurts them, they should be believed, and not be treated that way by others.”

What someone actually believes about the validity of other people’s identities is their business; deliberately or recklessly behaving in a way that hurts others is something that concerns everybody.

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