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weird take for a socialist? 

I actually like work. I don't like jobs or bosses or resumes or seeking work, but if it's real work that really needs someone to do it, I like doing it.

weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh if you're "productive" under capitalism, what does it get you? Usually you just get handed more work because you've shown your eagerness to be exploited.

weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh work I'd like to do for my community: cooking, gardening, organizing, cleaning, working with kids, reporting, learning to make furniture, learning electrical engineering

weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh That's not a weird take at all

weird take for a socialist? 

@starseeker yeah maybe not. I think people want to be genuinely productive. It's just we are alienated in capitalist workplaces

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@interneteh I think most people do honestly. That's the thing about the whole, "You just hate capitalism because you're lazy," "You just want to get paid to do nothing," "Without capitalism nothing would get done"--it's all garbage. People want to do meaningful things.

weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh 'Laziness' arguably doesn't even exist. People who seem 'lazy' are probably just afraid of trying and failing, or held back by their own anxieties or internal struggles. And a lot of those anxieties and fear kinda stem from capitalism soooo...

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@Lexi @interneteh it’s really often used in ableist ways too

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@Lexi I don't believe in laziness at all. I had a friend who worked retail and he went in and busted his ass and complained of everyone else's laziness. I said what are you making? minimum wage. what are they making? same. Well then they've done a calculus and determined what their effort is worth. maybe you should too

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@interneteh @Lexi

this reminds me of a good article about laziness

highly recommended read

medium.com/@devonprice/lazines

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@mal @interneteh This must be the article I got the "laziness doesn't exist" stuff from!

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@Lexi @interneteh

I shared it a week or so ago so maybe you saw it there? idk haha either way it's a really valuable sentiment that I think we should push more

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@interneteh @Lexi ^^^^^ Holy crap this. I work in retail right now and this is so relatable.

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@Lexi @interneteh gosh the work i would do if i didn't need to worry about income... i could switch up what i do and not stay locked into one thing for life. everything around work apart from work itself, locks people into a job set that is hard to break and honestly unfair

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@Lexi @interneteh Yeah I think everyone wants to do something. Working feels good. Accomplishing things feels good. Just generally contributing to a society feels good. But the current structures that have been built around "work" are fucked.

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@interneteh
Yo the biggest fucking mood

weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh People like doing stuff. Doing stuff (finding a place you remembered, getting fruit from a tree, hunting, flint knapping, building a shelter, etc.) triggers dopamine receptors in your brain in a way not dissimilar to what video games do. It's just that in the work environment, the behavioral encoding is foreign and alienating. New people who've never worked before love the dopamine rush for just a little bit until they're worn down. You see it every time.

weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh i’m a baker in a small town and it’s so fulfilling, i love doing it. it keeps my mind so occupied and gives me purpose. i thank it so much for keeping me sane tbh.

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@interneteh i would still write programs without capitalism and it would be a million times easier without all the adverse economic incentives making it shitty.

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@interneteh yeah same. There's work I'd like to do that I know needs to be done but the idea of slaving away for the gain of capitalists turns me off.
Working for someone else's benefit on their terms just so you can survive is fucked. It's not the work that's unappealing, it's the conditions

weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh I think that's not weird but just pretty common.

But the association of socialst = "just wants free stuff" and capitalist = "hard worker" serves too well the purpose of capitalism.

And I think we all know that those associations are just wrong and "grabbing lots of money" != "hard work"

weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh Also point in case:

I can work 10+ hours a day on my games, because they mean something to me, but not survive off of them.

I can't work 6+ hours in a shitty office doing random shit I couldn't care less about, because why???? The only motivation is a pay check, but it's honestly not enough with the pay I could even expect and it's not even something meaningful that needs to be done in the first place.

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@interneteh
This seems normal to me.

weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh nope, i think that's fairly normal, at least from my pov. i love to work hard, as long as i can see what im doing is good. not just endless stream of work with no end so someone else can make a lot of money. :blobdab:

weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh this is literally the difference between labor under capitalism (alienation) and work under ideal (communist) working conditions..............

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@interneteh same! i honestly love to put energy into things that need to be done, and the feeling of building skills / learning / helping 💕👌🏻

and yeah like @gazelle said it’s just ideal to not be alienated from what follows one’s effort

(instead of the current system, where i work for the dopamine-release of an authority figure patting my head, and even permitting me to have my medicines!)

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@interneteh

I've noticed qith a lot of creative types, they sort of work so that they can work?

I have a freind that loves metal working and making his own tools and stuff, but he hasta work a ton to be able to afford materials.

I'd bet most people have work they would want to do, if they had the time and resources to do it. Most jobs don't allow that, becuase capital doesn't profit from "free time".

weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh I often imagine what it would be like to build health care IT in a just socialist society. It's generally not the content of my work itself that is the problem. It's the hierarchy and the constant low-level (justified) fear of offending against it.

re: weird take for a socialist? 

@interneteh
Have you read the Dispossessed? Fun non-spoiler sci-fi trivia: in Pravic, the fictional language of the anarchists in The Dispossessed, the word for 'work" is the same as the word for "play," because if you do not enjoy/want to do the work, you should not do it.

@interneteh
I dont find it weird at all. I think the desire to work and better our communities is a part of human nature.

The demeaning work we're subjected to under capitalism, on the other hand... certainly unnatural.

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