"Work" is defined as an activity directed towards a goal
I'd say "play" is the opposite of that - any activity that you do for the sake of the activity itself, without aiming towards a "goal"
We have this idea that work is for adults, play is for kids. As we grow up, we turn everything into a goal-directed activity.
We play a sport to win, or to stay healthy. We draw to create something beautiful. We cook to make food. We climb an obstacle to get to the other side. We read a book to finish it. We watch a movie in the evening to relax, and then are confused when we can't.
Capitalism brainwashes you into thinking that you've grown out of playing. It wants you to think that you can't possibly enjoy an activity for its own sake anymore, so you need an "incentive"
Don't fall for it, and play as often as you can
work and play, but it's getting political i guess
i say "we" turn everything into a goal-directed activity as we grow up, but that's not entirely true either.
*Schools* turn everything into goal-directed activities *for* us. Modern education reforms often have this idea that we should take things children enjoy, and incorporate them into their education. Which would make sense, if our education system wasn't defined by "goals" children have to reach
You're taking something - play - that is very precious to the child, and you're taking it away from them to turn it into work. And then you're telling them that they stopped enjoying those things because they "grew out of it", and not because capitalists need human-machines who have learned how to work towards a goal given to you by an authority
work and play
@ijyx I saw someone debate whether play still has a goal or not, and I think it may depend on the individual person and the definition of "goal". I'm an organisation autistic so I make "to do" lists even for my special interests lol. I even thought of scheduling playing videogames, but decided my other hobbies are more important to make time for. When doing the activities I still have "goals" but I find it fun. I tend to get bored of an activity of I don't feel it has a purpose.
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@ijyx but there's still definitely a difference between work and play for me! I rarely enjoy studying but I still did it for school and uni. Now I have graduated but haven't gotten a job yet so I have a lot of time. I started studying things that I actually want to learn and I've been having fun! Not sure if it still counts as work or play. My goal was to learn the subject, but I had a lot of fun doing it and did it because I wanted to.
@ijyx This is good thinking. In my own reflection, I've found that in general my diminished desire to "play" is correlated with my diminished curiosity as I've aged.
There's a cool documentary on netflix about the science on early childhood development, and the episode on curiosity really made my think about how my psychology has changed. Now you've got me thinking about how those changes have been induced through socialized.
@ishara This really makes sense to me
Play, to me, is spontaneous. I have an idea, and I pursue it in that moment. If I have time to create plans or goals, I automatically will, and that'll make the activity less fun. When I really manage to *play*, it's because I follow through on a spintaneous idea
Learning is actually an example of that. If I have the idea (e.g. a question, or the impulse to study something) and immediately follow through on it, I'll enjoy the process and be tempted to learn more. If the idea comes from somewhere else (e.g. a school assignment) or I take the time to turn it into a task ("hey, duolingo was fun today. I should set myself a goal to do it *everyday*), that'll have pretty much the opposite effect
@ijyx Sometimes I will pick something I'm interested in, and just play with it. Both because it's fun (and who doesn't like fun?), but also because I know that ultimately I'll learn something from it. Even though it's unstructured, undirected, no procedures. Just seeing what I can do with it, what I enjoy doing with it.
This is one of the ways kids and young animals learn, why can't I?
Plus. You know. It's fun. And we sure need plenty of that right now.
@ijyx a couple of days ago a neighbor and I spontaneously walked to a nearby park and played catch for an hour, it was great
@ijyx I would say both have goals.. where play has the goal of being fun while work is a responsibility and the goal of being productive. This doesn't mean work has to be boring.. Your work with children is surely fulfilling but you have a responsibility of ensuring them to have fun. ;)
I agree with you that it is a lot better to carry around positivity than negativity. It makes me happy to hear how awesome you are with the kids. ;)
@shellkr That's exactly what I mean: Play is not something with the "goal" to have fun. As soon as you set a goal - any goal - I wouldn't consider it play
So of course work doesn't have to be boring. Goal-directed action doesn't have to be boring. But only ever engaging in goal-directed action will be draining
@ijyx But if playing is not fun it would just be time consuming... would it not? If fun is in the lack of a goal.. then that is a goal. Not having a goal is a goal.
So what is the purpose of play?
The only problem with goals that I see with it.. is that you can fail at them. So personally I prefer the use of direction instead. Following a path is easier to succeed at.
Everything and nothing can be defined as a goal.
@shellkr If playing isn't fun, it isn't play
Amd sure, not having a goal can be a goal, but it doesn't have to be the goal of a specific activity
Like, when I play, I don't play in order to not have a goal
@ijyx Yep, it can be turned around pretty much how ever you like. ;)
Sorry to drag you down that rabbit hole. ;)
@shellkr Np, I like rabbit holes :)
I'd say when I 1. set a goal and then 2. do a certain thing mainly to achieve that goal, then the process of 2 is what I'd call "work"
Things can *involve* goals without being work, but if the purpose of the activity is to pursue a goal, then it's work.
@ijyx Yes, I can buy that... but in reality your daily life contain hundreds of miniature goals that are executed all the time. Just putting one fot before the other is a miniature goal. As soon as you make a decision it becomes a goal.
I would say if you _have_ to pursue that goal it becomes work.
@shellkr But you don't usually set the goal of "I want to move my leg to that other place"
Like I said, anything and everything can *involve* goals. But if the purpose of an action is to pursue a goal, it's work
I don't agree that something is only work of it's forced. For example, cleaning is usually work, but not usually forced
@ijyx It is forced as you'll have to do it eventually in the same sense work work is forced. No one "forces" you to work (except maybe if you happen to be at Gulag) but it is necessary in order to get food on the table.
@ijyx Thank you for putting this out there.... we're.... people have been asking us (therapists, psychologists, friends) what we do that we enjoy, including one time earlier today when we were in a call with our psych and he asked "So what do you do for fun? What activities do you enjoy?" and we just stopped and thought about it until he asked "Hello? You still there?" and we realized we had spent 5 minutes trying and failing to come up with an activity.
You're absolutely right that everything has become goal oriented. We try and learn new things but only because we feel accomplished afterwards....
We don't know how to have fun.... we honestly can barely remember even doing so when we were younger.... Honestly not sure where to even start anymore, but we've definitely got something to think about, so thank you.
The real trick will be trying to do thing for the sake of doing it and not trying to have fun if that makes sense.
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