"How Your Kids Can Ruin Your Retirement — and How to Make Sure They Don’t"

... almost all of human history is multi-generational living?


the idea that you can stop working and travel and engage in hobbies and stuff is a good-ish kind of dream but it's very much a limited I-got-mine dream and doesn't fit with the majority of human history.

... a better dream would be for all of us not to have to wait until we're nearly 70 (if we live that long) and if we've had a job that paid much more than average and we had a retirement plan and we didn't have life catastrophes, etc. etc. etc.

... what if we could all travel and engage in hobbies and also work but in life-affirming ways and didn't have to wait for a mixture of privilege/luck/exploitation and living long enough to make that happen.

my mom died at 65. My dad died at 73 but was disabled by the time he retired. Thank goodness my mom found fulfilling ways to live her life (my dad, less so) because she'd never have gotten to that retirement part. It's such a bizarre thing.

@brightneedle Or we all got paid enough for work that we had time to make the places and regions we lived in pleasant and safe and interesting and weird and beautiful and characteristic of themselves and ourselves...

@clew definitely! One of my great joys is that I was able to find work in a region I love, even if it’s got problems like every region. Travel can be great, but I’ve learned from a good friend the importance of place, connection to that place, engagement with it, etc. she’s devoted to her hometown of Cincinnati. At times she has to fight its council to keep from selling off the library or loosening standards on river water. It’s a model for where ones priorities should lie. Not finding transformation outside ourselves, but making it here. (That said, there are parts of the world I do long to see)

I'm un-fond of travel treated as a moral good. It's consumption rather than production, audience rather than participation, and it's really hard on destinations. I would love to see a bunch of places, but the options now are (1) A tiny fraction of the world gets to see them, probably not including me (2) Lots of people get to see them for the short time until we collectively destroy them.

I would rather know they're there without me than have seen them and know they're gone.

@brightneedle Also, specific to Cincinnati -- small cities are a great size to be committed to! I committed to a small, mocked city in my twenties. Joke's on me -- Seattle isn't mocked any more.

@brightneedle It is so much the opposite of what it was that my family and I have considered leaving, but that seems almost as bad as giving up during a crash.

Plus also, a crash *will come*, like the last one did, and someone has to be around to patch things up.

@clew having lived for a while in the DC area and been .. not committed to it, but engaged with it, I can understand that choice.

@brightneedle I would argue that this is the only humane way for people to live. Obviously concessions on travel and leisure have to be made during emergencies and catastrophes, but capitalism has normalized this kind of scarcity mentality so that now we endlessly produce things that rot.

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