I can't believe it's legal to use tear gas on protestors. According to international law, using tear gas in military conflicts is literally a war crime.

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TBQH I also can't believe we live in a world which has essentially decided that war is actually ok as long as you're not *too* much of a dick about it.

Caution for anyone in the US • ironically named "non-lethal" weapons 

All so-called "non-lethal" weapons can be lethal or cause serious injury if used incorrectly. They *are* being used incorrectly.

Tear gas cannisters carry warnings that they're not supposed to be aimed at people. Rubber bullets are intended to be aimed at the ground to only hit people after they ricochet.

US police have been aiming both of these things at people's faces. They have caused grievious injuries which I will not describe here. Even protestors standing peacefully. Even people with their hands up. Even medics and journalists.

Some people injured, weren't even protesting and were just out buying groceries

If you're going anywhere near protests, please be extremely careful.

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Found a long Twitter thread documenting some of the atrocities the US police have committed during these protests. It's harrowing to look through. Huge CW for violence and some graphic images of injuries

twitter.com/chadloder/status/1

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@InvaderXan And if you have enough war to throw at the rest of the world, you can still be a dick about it

@InvaderXan
from The Candidates Find Common Ground (0:38)
"candidate A: Conventional weapons, to kill people nicely!
candidate B: Nuclear weapons, to keep the peace!
Both: But weapons, definitely. Either way, we must defense ourselves!"

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@InvaderXan Had to look up stats and ouch...

bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/12/e

Researchers looked at reports between 1990 and 2017. The reports came from India, Israel and Palestine, Nepal, Northern Ireland, Turkey, Switzerland and the US.

"data on 1984 people, 53 of whom died as a result of their injuries. 300 people suffered permanent disability"

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@InvaderXan Say what you will about 3% fatality rate as a stand alone number, but comparing it to the 33% fatality rate from real gun shots in this source: pennmedicine.org/news/news-rel

Since it's 1/11th as deadly as being shot with an actual gun, maybe we should call them "somewhat-lethal weapons"?

Although.. It also says stab wounds are only lethal 7.7% of the time, so maybe we should reclassify knives as non-lethal weapons?

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@rune I believe the technical term is "less lethal weapons". In any case, as far as I'm concerned, they absolutely shouldn't be called non-lethal if the fatality rate is above 0.

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@rune @InvaderXan

The industry (that is, the companies that manufacture this shit) prefer the term less-than-lethal.

For whatever that's worth.

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@InvaderXan I have never. ever. seen a cop fire rubber bullets at the ground

shit

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@GreenandBlack Right? It's like they just called them "non-lethal" so they can use them without being held to account. Even the name "rubber bullets" makes them sound a lot less dangerous than they actually are.

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@InvaderXan @GreenandBlack i was reading that this is a tactic that was in full use in Chile. many protesters there are now missing eyes.

in 2014, a cop fired a gas canister at where i was standing with other medics while we were giving out water bottles. it was early in the protest and nothing was happening yet. they aimed directly at the medics, hit a comrade in the ribs, and incapacitated the rest of us. its brutal what theyre willing to do.

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@popstar @GreenandBlack This sounds *exactly* like the kind of thing I've heard and seen (in uploaded videos) in the current protests across the US. They're purposely using these things to cause harm.

Quite frankly, they all need to be held accountable for this IMO.

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@InvaderXan @GreenandBlack big boost on this

I'm pretty near certain this is why they seem to feel like they're free to open fire on people with no regard for safety, because "hey, they're not /real/ bullets, so at least I'm not killing anybody, right?"

tbh probably what led to a lot of police brutality deaths, cops thinking they can go as far as they want because at least they aren't using live ammunition

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@anadice @InvaderXan @GreenandBlack

I've heard from an off-duty cop that a normal cop uses his taser a couple dozen times in a normal month, but some, when they place it back for charging and the machine's use count shows up, register closer to 100.

And that's just the normal-times baseline.

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@InvaderXan seen this yesterday, in this case it was lucky
chickenfan.club/@jacethechicke

@InvaderXan Anyone who can watch this long list of videos and agree with Trump on who the bad guys are is a fucking fascist

@Lexi Seriously. Trouble is, most people are only watching what their news channel of choice shows them. And I'm willing to bet that Fox barely shows this stuff at all.

@InvaderXan @Lexi And this is the ultimate truth here: MSM, which is the most-viewed media, only ever mentions this stuff in passing, if at all.

The CNN journalist getting arrested without being officially charged is probably the most that anyone will ever see barring some localized event covered only on the localized news and barred in newsrooms outside that area while simultaneously allowing for brick-throwers and looters to be discussed nationwide.

@InvaderXan @Lexi And viola. You end up with one side portrayed as "a few bad apples" and the other as "a violent gang of thugs" all because of what gets shown and how it's talked about by a handful of capitalist broadcast companies.

We don't have freedom of the press. We never did. Even in media, it's always been unlimited freedom of money, and the methods have been tweaked and polished over the centuries to sustain that.

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@InvaderXan
In france we have a long history of these, the authorities started to call it "less-lethal weapons" like it was something ok. But since few months, some demonstrators started to say "mutilating weapons" and this contains precisely the horror in the riot control weaponry...

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@baerd That sounds like a better name for them TBH. Their only purpose is to injure and inflict pain. Maybe we should call them "sadistic weapons"

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@InvaderXan to focused on the pain and not the permanent damages

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@baerd Absolutely. It's horrific TBH.

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@InvaderXan It isn't the protests that are dangerous to be around.

The cops are.

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@InvaderXan I don't think "non-lethal" is even a real term, these sort of weapons are actually categorized as "less-lethal" and for this good reason.

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@wolfcoder While "non-lethal" is technically a proper term for them, I agree. I think a lot of people are pushing to have it permanently changed to "less-lethal" because, yeah.

Apparently, there are even a lot of studies by experts advising that things like rubber bullets to be banned because they're dangerous and don't help anything. Not that governments are ever good at listening to experts.

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@InvaderXan if you think that's bad there was a plan at one time to just literally microwave whole crowds of protestors

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_D

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@wolfcoder @InvaderXan

Yes I've seen demonstrations of that. Is it not in use anywhere? I thought it was just too expensive for some police forces.

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@john @wolfcoder A lot of "non-lethal" weapons stopped being developed when it turned out they were, in fact, quite lethal. And/or horribly impractical. Sometimes both.

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@InvaderXan @john with this one its got two big problems. the first one is the assumption that it will not be used in sustained fire on targets that are incapable of leaving the area (if cops had that kind of self control the protests wouldn't be a thing in the first place), and the second one is that it can be defeated by thick clothing or aluminum foil, the kind protesters are already putting on to protect them from projectiles and tear gas.

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@InvaderXan (pls tell me if it derails the discussion...) but yeah, & it's the same in france. & every other country, probably. cops will use them in such a way as to make damages among protesters & bystanders being hurt, or deaths, are just seen as acceptable collateral damages, precisely because they're legally deemed non-lethal, no matter the country, cops as an institution & job are to be dismantled. even as a concept.

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@Milouchkna Seems like that's how they're using them everywhere. At the very least, these things should be banned.

ironically named "non-lethal" weapons 

@InvaderXan hell, even the concept of weapons being non-lethal is absurd, in the first place. a weapon is a weapon...

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