What would you like to see in our solarpunk future?

It's so easy to talk about what you don't want in the future, but harder to pin down what you do want. So my idea is simply to capture and share your ideas the kind of things you want to see in a solarpunk future.

You can read my post, which describes this in a bit more detail:

Then feel free to start submitting your ideas, which I'll collate them and create a new post to inspire and share.

FFS, why did I post this to birdsite? The first reply include a comment about needing a reduction in population. I don't know whether to ignore it or ask them to explain further. So much population reduction talk is inherently racist. Sigh

I decided to block them*. I don't have the energy to fight with someone about this.

Population isn't the problem. Consumption, by white people, and the lack of women's rights, is.

*thanks @joecassels

Ugh, the image description for the picture attached above is incorrect. It's meant to be:

Gardens by the Bay, Singapore. Lush tropical gardens with futuristic looking buildings and structures

sigh. Maybe I'll be less tired in a ;)

The first few responses to the question 'What would you like to see in our future?' have started to come in. But I know there are lots of you out there with tons of great ideas!

*taps fingers*
*waits for all the great ideas to come in...*

@GwenfarsGarden @joecassels Well, this is something I had been considering writing about sometime soon. How the definition of "Abundance" changes as the possibility-space changes, and population is a key part of that. So in a world of only 100 people, we need to exert zero effort for abundance: nature provides. But in a world of 10 Billion, we need to think about what Abundance means. You're right though; women's rights and justice are a key part of slowing population growth, to begin with.

@GwenfarsGarden @joecassels And it is certainly true, and deeply disheartening, that this issue usually _does_ devolve into racism in the public. It seems to be a preferred deflection-to-race tactic by commenters everywhere: "We'd all be fine if $OTHER_ETHNIC_GROUP would stop having babies"->BLOCK

@cathal @joecassels yep, this is why I've got to the point of thinking white men shouldn't talk about population (along the lines of Reni Eddo-Lodge's 'why I no longer talk to white people about race')

Whilst there are finite resources on the planet, at this stage, until white/well-off people have massively reduced their consumption, and women everywhere have equal rights, including reproductive rights, the so called 'population question' is just a way of deflecting from the key issues and blaming others rather than taking responsibility for their own impact.

@GwenfarsGarden @joecassels Also: I think you're right on target by linking this to individual and collective consumption, because it comes up directly in climate negotiations.
"China consume 30% of global emissions! Why should we reduce?"
"Because your per-capita emissions are stupidly high and you're setting the standard for a 'wealthy lifestyle' which developing nations' citizens are trying to emulate".
This also feeds back into "how do we define abundance", of course.

@GwenfarsGarden @joecassels Because, again, if there were only 100 people in the world, they could each have a carbon budget high enough to permit them to each light a yearly forest fire if they wanted. If we desire abundance/post-scarcity, we need to define it with population as a variable, whether we like it or not. But I think we need different language/angles to discuss it, because so many people approach it from so toxic a place.

@GwenfarsGarden @cathal @joecassels how can you possibly claim that population reduction is racist, then state that a certain gender and race is not allowed to contribute to a conversation, without being incredible racist and hypocritical?

@GwenfarsGarden @cathal @joecassels btw, I'm not a population reductionist, I'm just tired of racists - ie people deeming my opinion is invalid because of the color of my skin.

@f15hb0wl did you find this old thread, if you don't mind my asking?

@cathal someone reblogged the original post, which I found inspiring. Unfortunately when I clicked through I found the discussion to be anything but.

@cathal not that is should matter. Would how someone overheard a filthy white supremacist running their mouth change the vile hatred? Should the hurt cause by overhearing be less because it was accidental? Context is VERY important, that's why prejudice is bad, but at the end of the day if you're using racism to condemn or rectify racism then there's no two ways about it. You're no better than any other racist, no matter how you twist the logic.

Well, you're not wrong, but you are talking to someone who thinks that Race is a bankrupt concept, and that the concept of a "White" race (as distinct from merely being caucasian or pale-skinned) is especially toxic because of its origins and contemporary usage. So, fair warning.
That said, as someone who doesn't identify with Whiteness but has very pale caucasian skin, I have received abuse on Masto several times as a "White Person", so I do agree with you.

@cathal no need for fair warning, I can tell you more about first hand experience with racism than most people with a hashtag, but I'm pasty white and blue eyed, so guess what I get called when I defend myself? I'm fucking sick of it. If you really believe race is a redundant concept, then stop perpetuating the myth.

With all that said: ask yourself why you're letting this passing mention of "White People™" cause such anger in you. If you identify with Whiteness, do some more research into its origins in the slave trade, and ask whether it meaningfully contributes to your cultural identity. Right now, it seems to be making you feel worse.

@cathal there you are again with the assumptions. I couldn't give a fuck about whiteness, I've lived in more countries than most people have had email addresses. But I'm white so I am not allowed to enjoy the music I grew up with, or use words I used freely with my peers growing up because now it's "cultural appropriation" - and I'm not talking the word "nigga" either - Fuck you Kendrik Lamar.

@cathal and I get angry because there's lots of short sighted hypocrites, and no matter how hard I try, even when I'm trying to inspire myself with some gardening toots, can I avoid someone trying to gain some bullshit moral high ground.

@cathal but you are right, it is making me feel worse. And I do want to say that even tho I have called you out, it is people like you that are willing to have a polite discussion that are making things better. It's so rare online, so I usually avoid it.

@cathal but it is another one of my pet hates. My ancestors were burned at the stake. That is a fact. Where's my hashtag? There's lots of terrible things that have happened in the past, I just cannot get past the fact that people attempting to make reparations towards generations past by doing the exact same thing to others? Why is the pain of people's ancestors is more important than people's pain now? Why are some people's stories more important than others?

@GwenfarsGarden To answer the original question here though: Something I've always wanted to see was a world where we can have our cake of high technology, and eat it without environmental or economic guilt, too. For me for several years, this meant trying to build off-grid, DIY-scale, "peer to peer" genetic engineering technology. I've always felt if farmers could "Hack their own crops" there would be less mistrust of the technology itself, and more focus on the issue of "Intellectual Property"

@cathal I'll add this to the list. Do you want me to add your name & link to your profile, or keep it anon?

Yeh, the problem is who 'owns' the seeds etc. There should be no corporate control of seeds/tech, it should be done by farmers in their bioregion and discussion with the community of which they are a part.

@GwenfarsGarden I'm happy to be credited, it's something I discuss a lot anyway.
There are a lot of misconceptions about the state of IP in GE, chiefly that they have anything to do with one another. :P You can patent non-GE crops, in practice loads of "normal" crop traits are patented. Which is, yunno, appalling.
Another is that loads of farmers get sued, which is..mostly untrue. But true or not, nobody should have that power. Nobody should "own" breeds or species of life, or constituent bits.

@cathal cool, will credit you.

It is the IP/ownership that is the issue with GE. We've been doing it for 10,000 years or more, every time we save seed & grow on, because it has a trait we like. I do it with the way I select, save & grow on my unusual garlic varieties each year. But I'm massively anti anyone owning/patenting the right to life, as you say.

@sajith Frick! It's meant to be this: Gardens by the Bay, Singapore. Lush tropical gardens with futuristic looking buildings and structures

I confused it with another pic in the same blog. sigh

@GwenfarsGarden Boat cities!!!!! powered by the sun and the waves. Bioluminecense!!!

@F1shCake this is excellent. Do you want me to link to you or would you prefer to be anon?

I'd like to see diversity in housing styles: cozy apartments, cabins, bigger houses, for every possible preference, given that people could still prefer one style over others when capitalist made up scarcity is over.

Also, a public housing system with spare houses in every region for nomad lifestyles, so people can live travelling or spend one year or two in a far away place. For example, artists could enjoy many different kinds of landscapes to inspire their work if they can travel as much as they want and for longer times, and our current tourism model doesn't allow that (besides being unsustainable).

@alyxmaia thanks for this. These are great ideas. Are you happy to have your name/link to profile or would you prefer to be anon?

I think I'd like to be anon for now, thanks. I'm glad the ideas are useful!

I know I say this a lot, but I can sum it up with one word. Harmony. And, to elaborate a little, blurring of artificially imposed boundaries.

Harmony between technology and environment. Harmony between society and nature. Harmony between people of all kinds. Coexistence.

Consider the now classic Solarpunk images of forest cities, for instance. I like to imagine a world where city planning and forestry are essentially the same task.

A nice little real world example of this blurring of boundaries is the fact that solar energy production and beekeeping can apparently coexist quite nicely.

Beekeepers, Bolton Bees, use the land surrounding solar panels as pollinator friendly spaces, using the same land space to plant flowers, keep beehives, and produce honey.

This is the kind of thing I find very appealing! ☀️🐝

@InvaderXan thanks for this and the other contribution. Are you happy to have your name/link to profile, or would you prefer to be anon?

Anytime! And sure, I’m happy to put my name to this! ☀️

Replyingbto this requires a long post by us and @CommandoJugendstil
We'll send it over the weekend.

@talesfromtheev @CommandoJugendstil Just wanted to let you know, my plan, depending on health, is to publish the post this coming weekend (ie. Sunday morning, UK time). I'm sure you're very busy, but if you'd still like to contribute, will that be enough time to put something together?

Most people are submitting a para or two. One person has submitted a rather creative 'letter' and as it's longer, it has a summary in the blogpost, and then a link to the full post on their site. So either is fine with me. And if you don't have time, no probs. I may do a 2nd round if we get enough interest :)

Hi, we're a bit busy ATM but we should be done by Saturday. It's quite long and detailed and focused on urban transition and we were planning to post it somewhere (perhaps our very own Plume on and send you the link. But if you have another idea in mind, do tell us.

@talesfromtheev @CommandoJugendstil Oooh, yes, do post it on your own Plume on Cafe.Sunbeam.City! That's what the other person did.

Look forward to reading it :)

@talesfromtheev @CommandoJugendstil thanks, what a fantastic post. I want to live in your solarpunk city! Will look up Kate Raworth's book. I knew her when I worked at Oxfam and always liked her thinking.

I'm running late with posting coz health, so will probably be the end if the week when I publish the post. Will let you know when it goes live.

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