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fascism 

Was chatting with someone yesterday about how we're taught about fascism in mainstream education.

There's a massive focus on the aesthetics of fascism and the results of fascist ideology, but nothing is taught about the ideology itself, how fascists gained power in the first place and (perhaps the most revisionist) the history of fascist movements within our own nations.

fascism in the uk 

I wonder if British history classes would be quite so jingoistic about the "Two World Wars and One World Cup, Doo Da, Doo Da" rhetoric, if they also had to educate people about the appeasement movement, mosley's blackshirts and the monarchy's connections with fascism.

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fascism, newspeak 

It's not coincidence that fascists are constantly trying to muddy the definition of what a fascist is, considering they're trying to make language itself worthless, it's fundamental to newspeak for them to do this.

Newspeak means to limit the capacity for abstract human thought, to prevent anybody from committing thought crime against the regimes they build. By acting like "fascist doesn't mean anything", by saying that "fascism is just whatever you want to call your enemies" they are deliberately distorting your ability to deconstruct their ideology.

In Ur-fascist ideology this makes sense, nobody can be anti-fascist if they do not know what fascists are. We see this distortion happening constantly in both American media and from the state itself.

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fascism in the uk 

@GreenandBlack "Fascist" is just a term fascists came up with to describe the other side of the war*.

*Okay I know it was actually coined by a facist and references the state authority and militarism of the ideology by deriving the word from "fascii," the bundle of sticks which represented Roman military authority and coincidentally also evolved into the f-slur, but c'mon, that was pithy, right?

fascism in the uk 

@GreenandBlack dang

Tbf, I haven't studied fascism as much as I maybe ought to

fascism in the uk 

@marie_joseph Ur-Fascism by Umberto Eco is where I usually start people off. It defines the philosophical characteristics of fascist ideology while also weaving in Eco's personal experiences growing up in fascist Italy

📖 pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_u

🎧 invidio.us/watch?v=yg0uTHY9OyQ

fascism, newspeak 

@GreenandBlack So you're saying that this general trend of “we don't like you, you're a fascist” is actually coming from fascists themselves? Makes sense, but why do you say that?

I mean, if we don't have anything backing either of us up, it could just as well be us all collectively doing it to ourselves. “We don't like fascists, we don't like you, therefore you're a fascist” is...terribly wrong, but scarily plausible. (:

fascism, newspeak 

@IceWolf They say it because if they can distort fascism into an indefinable word, then there is no meaningful way of deconstructing their ideology.

If you call someone a "fascist" in a world where fascist means "anyone I don't like", then you are unable to point at a fascist regime and call them fascist.

Take the USA, for example, there has been an consistent effort to undermine antifascism. In FBI literature, anti-fascists are considered fascists and fascists are considered anti-anti-fascists. This is the kind of newspeak we're talking about.

When they move the discussion away from what fascism actually is (a well defined political ideology based in traditionalism, contempt for modernity, etc.) towards some nebulous "fascist just means whatever you want it to mean", then they have successfully taken away your agency to deconstruct their ideology.

And yeah this distortion of "You just call everyone you don't like a Nazi" was literally used by the Nazis.

fascism, newspeak 

@GreenandBlack (wait, isn't fascism just rampant nationalism, “our country is superior to all other countries”, combined with “you're either with us 100% or you're against us”?)

fascism, newspeak 

@IceWolf That's absolutely the core of it, but the reason I like Umberto Eco's definition so much is because it gets to the root causes of that nationalism and contempt for disagreement.

You can't have nationalism without traditionalism and you can't consider disagreement treason without also fetishizing thoughtless action, for example.

fascism, newspeak 

@GreenandBlack A comedy sketch that really sums this up (cw: explicit fascist imagery and rhetoric, implied state violence, also it's in german with english subs: youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKl)

fascism in the uk 

@GreenandBlack that's pretty funny since in the US, the Appeasement Policy is the first thing we learn about

fascism in the uk 

@Absolutely_Blakely the most that's spoken about appeasement is centred on Neville Chamberlain, rather than looking at the broad societal climate of appeasement.

British society would rather pin their failings to stop fascism on one "weak" man, thus falling into the fascistic contempt for the weak

fascism in the uk 

@GreenandBlack i mean obviously in the US focusing on the policy has its own very different motivations

fascism in the uk 

@Absolutely_Blakely indeed. Ironically, the Allies of WWII have fallen into the same patterns of the nations they previously fought against.

fascism 

@GreenandBlack 'fascism is when people wear edgy uniforms and love being bad guys' - mediocre education systems across the world

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