@GreenandBlack
Their rhetoric is "Let's break as many eggs as we can. That way, we're sure to end up with omlettes!"

@puffinus_puffinus The strategy is to just throw 415 eggs at the wall and hope -some- of the yolk drips into the pan

@GreenandBlack @puffinus_puffinus
I don't understand your criticism. The activists are clearly very aware the situation and it doesn't seem at all like they're being abused by XR leadership. Why are you denying them their autonomy?

I for one applaud them.

@Maltimore @puffinus_puffinus Prison denies autonomy a damn sight more than criticism...

@GreenandBlack @puffinus_puffinus
I meant that you are talking as if the activists are not acting autonomously. As if they're being controlled by some "XR leadership".
The activists clearly know that they can end up in prison for 5 years.

@Maltimore @puffinus_puffinus The fact this has been coordinated directly by XR leadership officials with both Heathrow and the Metropolitan police, whilst every local XR group near Heathrow is adamantly against the plan, leads me to believe this is just more of the "Let's throw activists in jail to send a message" rhetoric that's been perpetuated by Hallam and his ilk since the start.

XR literature is literally telling people that solitary confinement, a method of torture, provides a "nice opportunity to meditate".

Criticism of the ideology and leadership of an organization =/= criticism of the people taking actions

@GreenandBlack @Maltimore @puffinus_puffinus see also: XR explicitly working against advice from noted protest lawyer firm Green and Blacks. They know they shouldn't do things like this, that it only serves to remove people from activist circles and easily has the capacity to destroy lives, and yet, here they are, encouraging 415 people to go to prison for zero gain

@Maltimore @GreenandBlack @puffinus_puffinus They're not being "controlled" by XR leadership, but they are being manipulated. They faced quite some backlash (rightfully so) for referring to prison as a yoga retreat: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-48147915

@Maltimore
It's pretty brave to do something like this, but it's a case of picking your fights carefully. Five years in prison means they're not going to be contributing to the environmental struggle at a time when they're needed most. Why go out with a bang when you can stick around and wear steadily at the issues, creating more of an impact over a greater amount of time?
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@GreenandBlack
No seriously though, their logic is running in reverse. The whole 'movements with high arrests are more likely to cause positive change' may well be true, but to then run that backwards and say 'so let's get arrested' misses the point entirely.

@GreenandBlack Oh good, I'm not the only one to get that vibe from XR

@citrustwee my partner figured they were a honeypot when it first started up, I'm thinking it might be more accurate than I thought...

especially with this shite happening too

@GreenandBlack whoa. okay, yeah. that's 100% my theory now 😬

@GreenandBlack won't be surprised if liberal "peaceful protest" mass arrest movements pop up for every major fight in the struggle against capital now, it's got to be the most successful diversion of energy and round up of activists in recent history