Tired: Escaping from the trappings of civilization to live a mythologized hunter-gatherer lifestyle in a lonely wilderness
Wired: Dropping out of the worst aspects of capitalist civilization by joining a self-sustaining intentional community on cultivated farmland.
Inspired: Rejecting the separation of "civilization" from "wilderness" as an inherently colonialist distinction and actively working to dissolve the border between the two.
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@GreenandBlack why do I feel the last one will involve building more suburbs? Treehouses 👍 suburbs 👎
@lafnlab Because you've been taught to recognize the synthesis of wild with civilization as suburbia, whereas the suburbs actually represent the border we're trying to erase in the first place.
Suburbs bad. Cultivating nature within cities good.
@lafnlab For more context. Suburbs represent the idea that nature is something to be controlled by humans. That we can keep trees within the borders of parks, carefully control vast mono-cultures of grass so they can look appealing and treat the wild animals we've displaced as pests or vermin.
Suburbs are the myth of the frontier at its utmost colonialist.
@GreenandBlack I agree, but I can also envisage property developers hijacking terms like 'wilderness' and 'nature' for use in marketing. I know I've seen countless subdivisions with names like "The Pines at Riverview", "The Elms at Parkland" and so on.
Marketing will perpetuate any myth if there's money to be had.
@lafnlab Yeah, I believe the Americans called this "Manifest Destiny"
@GreenandBlack @lafnlab i don't know about elsehwere, but sometime between the 1930s and the 50s, some of this city's parks were mostly deforested because of "drug dealing". there used to be a lagoon surrounded by elder trees in Major's Hill Park, across from the National Art Gallery. now it's just a lawn on a weird bluff.
Oh gosh, yes 💚
@fuoribanda What's this from? I thought it might have been 'The Trouble With Wilderness' but it doesn't appear to be
Hired: destroying civilization without reifying the depiction of wilderness created by civilization itself, nor treating indiginous people with a colonialist eye
@GreenandBlack from the idea of the Greeks onwards, the concepts of 'civilisation' and 'barbarians' have always been colonialist as FUCK
@GreenandBlack the white mans burden and all that shit was used to justify so much god damn colonalism, this idea that 'civilisation' exists and it these set of western white principles that really amount to the hegemony of western capital. hot take but maybe white colonisers have been bad?
@CornishRepublicanArmy Bring this up and anprims will scream "ideology" at you
@GreenandBlack yeah but that's why I don't talk to anprims lmao. not all perspectives are ones I want to use up my mental energy engaging with
@GreenandBlack omg I finally fucking got this antciv stuff 😂
@GreenandBlack huh I thought you basically just argued in favor of anti-civ as an ideology
@GreenandBlack apparently it turns out I didn't get it after all
@GreenandBlack ah ok thx. so the Inspired one would be called anti-"civ"? 😂
@unsuspicious I think "Post-civ" is more accurate.
@GreenandBlack hehe that reminds me of the description of a person in "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson.
"In fact, Kia is trans-just about every system of human categorization, and what she isn't trans- she is post -."
@GreenandBlack thanks for the clarification =)
@unsuspicious Absolutely not. Anti-civ ideology considers civilization itself to be inherently colonialist, hence why it calls for a "collapse".
I'm of the opinion that the mere idea of "civilization" and "wilderness" themselves are inherently colonialist, as it sees the two as separable and not part of one ecology.
Sure, but only in the same way that the concept of race is colonialist. If we define civilization as the alienation of "humanity" from its environment, then you can see why deconstructing this is worthwhile, while at the same time understanding that ignoring its existence isn't actually helpful.
Oh now this is some shit, this is the esoteric post-left uncut shit I CRAVE
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