1. Advertising shits in your head, it is a form of visual and psychological pollution.
2. Removing/Replacing/Defacing advertising is not vandalism, it is an act of tidying up that is both legally and morally defensible.
3. The Visual Realm is a Public Realm, it is part of the commons, it belongs to everyone, so nobody should be able to own it.
4. Outdoor Advertising can and should be banned, Sao Paulo did it in 2006, Grenoble followed suit in 2015.
@GreenandBlack there is an other side too:
Advertisement is nothing else than that a company takes more money from the customer to reach out and bother them with informations, they did not request and at the same time actively preventing the customer to get informations they need to make the decision to buy the product/service.
Vermont bans billboards at least, I miss that so much
Man, that'd be weird as hell.
As repulsed as I am by massive, jangling advertising, Times Square would look really, really weird. Can't speak for Piccadilly as I've never been there.
@GreenandBlack Still, it'd be fun figuring out what to play on all those huge-ass video walls they've got at Times Square now. Perhaps slideshows of Impressionist paintings?
@GreenandBlack Interesting, looking at fotos of Times Square from a century or so ago. You could already see its famous billboard plague starting to creep in.
@GreenandBlack imagine all of the ads replaced with art made by people who live nearby.
@GreenandBlack the city of são paulo in brazil passed a Clean City Law in 2006, banning public advertising from building facades, busses, taxis, bus stop posters, etc. Here's an article from 2016 about it,
@GreenandBlack (Grenoble has still advertising, it has not been forbidden for all the advertisings/everywhere tho)
@GreenandBlack This is a brand new idea to me and I love it!
I wonder whether it really is legally defensible
@GreenandBlack This forever. I go on tirades about how much advertising is just the worst ever, pretty much daily. If ever there was a more immoral art, I'd be surprised.
We could remove all advertising tomorrow and absolutely nothing in the world would be worse. It’s the most obvious ‘thing without a benefit to society’ ever.
Oh, and billboards - especially lcd but regular lit billboard too use SO MUCH ENERGY.
I mean damn we have a planet to save. Banning any form of electrical and illuminated advertising should be obvious.
I am in Europe, the Netherlands to be exact. There are electrically lid advertisements on every busstop and along many roads. There are massive tv screens in shopping streets, thousands of buildings have electric advertisements on lcd screens. The Hague recently unveiled a massive lcd advertising screen that uses 100.000 kWH of energy per year.
This is not a ‘things are better in Europe’ thing.
@queeranarchism @GreenandBlack I wasn't saying things are better in Europe either just making the case that traditional billboards don't exist in my country (Greece) and lit led advertisements are often in a small scale. Also bus stops have rarely advertisements on them (mostly flyers) and the only big advertisements I see is on busses.
@GreenandBlack uMatrix, but for real life
@GreenandBlack I recall hearing how advertising is supposed to be a 'contract' between the advertiser and the viewer/listener. That ads should provide something of value. TV ads pay for shows. Radio ads pay for music. Billboards and signs pay for and provide nothing but an obstruction.
@corvak @GreenandBlack That implicit contract is technically how modern broadcast entertainment first got its start in the US. Radios and TV's needed something more to broadcast than just sales pitches. Entertainment was the sugar that helped the medicine go down. It's interesting to see how far it's come.
Also, that's why the billboards in your example are the exception – print vs broadcast media.
@GreenandBlack Many years ago I moved to a region where outdoor advertising is strictly regulated - no large-format billboards. Now every time I go somewhere without that it's like a constant kick in the face.
You think you can tune it out, but it still gets to you on a subconscious level you don't realise until you're free from it.
@GreenandBlack Modern advertising is terrible, I agree, but I get sad when people completely disregard the role that advertising could play in human society if it weren't so closely tied to consumerism like it is now.
At its most abstract, advertising amplifies & concentrates human attention, & I don't think that's always a bad thing – humans need ways to do that. We've reached a point of information saturation in society where ideas need *some* sort of mechanism to become salient in public consciousness.
Not too long ago a coworker of mine complained that he had to write these adblock blockers. I felt bad for him.
Even longer ago I had to write these spam sending services ala MailChimp. Still feels bad
@GreenandBlack "Advertising shits in your head"! What a great line!
@GreenandBlack Grenoble didn't really ban advertising but damn it feels so good to not see ad screens everywhere
@GreenandBlack (I may try to find the exact terms that were voted and translate it if you wish to)
@GreenandBlack * them
@k that would be awesome, thanks so much :D
@GreenandBlack Grenoble indeed banned most (not all, looking at you bus/tram stops) of visual advertisements.
It's a much more pleasant place now.
The funny thing is, they actually put ads back but only for artistic and local (neighborhood) content. So, when you see advertising around your place you're likely to be interested in its content.
Cities have banned outdoor advertisement? WHAT A BEAUTIFUL PROSPECT
Clean City Law: Secrets of São Paulo Uncovered by Outdoor Advertising Ban
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